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Re: No Concerns or Compliments ?
« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2015, 05:53:32 PM »
The commissioning groups should be monitoring their performance, but then we're back to what's written and what's done. Guidelines allow flexibility to a degree, similar to lanes on motorways allow a certain margin of movement... sadly, this enables 'creativity', which is another term for doing what you can get away with. I think it's interesting that PHE, the new NTA, don't have a definition of what recovery is. It's implied it's different to different people. If so, the how come it's results focused.. not any result, but a specific one.. that one being abstinence in most cases. Contracts are given out according to who will deliver the right result... the Orange book is there in spirit, not in its old sense imo. That's probably why many new staff aren't familier with it... they don't need to be. Also, many new workers are ex service users btw.. poacher turned gamekeepers but alot cheaper... err, i mean cost effective of course.

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« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2015, 11:06:06 AM »
Yes , nobody appears to want to put a definition on Recovery , I contacted a Scottish organisation recently to ask whether MAR was as valid a for of recovery in their eye's . The answer I got back was that it was up to me to decide what recovery meant . That being the case I would say I'm recovered & as useful a member of society as  anybody else. Working , paying taxes , looking after a family & all the other stuff that's meant to be recovery capital .

After them telling me that I was given a quote from the Scottish Gov.'s Recovery policy that said to be recovered meant to be " free from drug's " , this obviously isn't the case & I'm not sure if it ever will be . So far MMT has been the only treatment that stops me from using as well as the fact that I see absolutely no harm in smoking the odd bag of weed & while I'm typing this I'm drinking coffee as well as using my vaporiser to get the nicotine levels raised in my blood.
I know that coffee & nicotine are perfectly legal drugs as is alcohol , but drugs is  drugs as far as I'm concerned with alcohol & tobacco being the worst out of the whole lot.

The only real difference is that tobacco & alcohol take many years of use before the harm to the user becomes a medical matter which cost's our NHS far more money in treatment ( which then harms society )than all the other substances deemed to be illicit.

I agree with you Scally , the reason that nobody will give a definitive answer on recovery is so DSP's can basically do what they want & use this " recovery " ideal to cover their own arses.

Political parties just don't have the bollocks to come up with a robust & logical answer to the whole situation because they fear that they won't get financed by their alcohol & tobacco producing fat cat's . The media are also involved in the " cover up " when it comes to the truth about substances , but that's no surprise when politicians & media moguls are in bed together literally speaking .

Has anybody read or seen anything about the President of Uruguay legalising marijuana in the mainstream press ? I certainly hadn't . The Government there are actually growing their own for sale to the public providing a boost to the economy as well as job's . You can still grow your own as long as it's no more than 6 plant's as well . I only found out about this over the internet . The bloke interviewing the countries President did so while smoking a joint . That's what I call progress .

Bit of topic there.  ;)
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Re: No Concerns or Compliments ?
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2015, 12:08:13 PM »
Hi OP,

There's quite a few articles reported in the Guardian.. here's one.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/01/uruguay-vazquez-legal-marijuana

As for the bigger picture.. You're right about the drink and tobacco lobbyists. There is also suggestion that the Editor of the Daily Mail runs the country as do other media moguls. They have the loudest voices. Murdoch wasn't known as the 'King Maker' for nothing mate. Blair got the job because of him.... allegedly.

Take care,

Scally

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« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2015, 01:31:40 PM »
The Orange Book is currently under review, and PHE are having a group of current service users have input on the new guidelines. How much of this is tokenism, and how much they will be listened to remains to be seen, but at least SU's are having some involvement.

I do believe that the guidelines should be less open to interpretation, as currently it seems that every service interprets them differently, leading to much confusion for SU's and keyworkers.

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« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2015, 03:48:12 PM »
I must of missed that in the paper's Scally , most of the information I read or watch these days is online . Paying for paper's that get used to light the fire is something I rarely do , every penny counts .

Personally I think that marijuana should be legalised on a global scale . It's been medically used for thousand's of years for many reason's & has never been known to cause a death . It's far safer than alcohol both to the individual & society. Only one bit of research done by the Swedish Gov. has created the idea that it is connected to schizophrenia , unfortunately other Government's latched onto this idea which has since been discredited but is still being used as a reason not to legalise the plant.
Instead our country lock up thousand's of ordinary people who are in possession of the plant costing the country a huge amount of money as well as ruining a lot of people's lives.

I was found in possession of a small amount a long time ago , luckily I had a good lawyer on hand who got the whole thing thrown out of court as it was an illegal search. I thought that would be an end to it. No record , charges dropped . Several years later I had to get my Enhanced Disclosure updated for work , I wasn't worried in the least but when it came through the Chief Inspector had written that I had links to " organised crime " !
I suppose I should count myself lucky if I compare what the outcome would be in some countries where the possession of any illegal substance no matter how small it is get's the death sentence . Malaysia & some Arab states are just a few.

The hypocrisy that surrounds this is that it was the USA who were behind the criminalisation of most substances & pressured a lot of countries into signing these treaties , now we see states of the US legalising marijuana although it's still against Federal law . It beggars belief .

Another thing that I have noticed & this is possibly only in my area is that the price of weed / hash has shot up over the last few years & it's not unheard of for young 'uns to start using what they're told is heroin ( though it's not anything like it was when I was there age ) before they've even smoked a bit of pot .

I believe that a good proportion of these kids would be quite happy smoking weed without progressing to a dope habit if it were more available & cheaper. I've been told that some weed is sold by the gram at a price that I used to sell / buy a quarter ounce for ! If the police turned a blind eye to the use of weed then I really do think that their would be less people dependant on poor quality dope , of course the powers that be appear not to be able to see the wood for the tree's .

Bit of a rant, sorry !  ::)
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Re: No Concerns or Compliments ?
« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2015, 06:51:43 PM »
Yeah I've noticed that too, that unavailability of pot/weed is meaning that youngsters are either using legal highs, or graduating to harder drugs. If they'd had access to weed, in all likelihood they would have stopped at that.

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« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2015, 05:23:08 PM »
On the subject of one of the world's most stigmatised naturally occurring plant's that is used all over the world & widely accepted by a lot of cultures ( though they wouldn't admit it to the UN ) , I read just last night that David Cameron is now telling voter's that he will work towards the decriminalisation of cannabis should the Tories  remain in power  :o  .

Has the man been influenced by the situation in some of the state's of the US where millions are being made from the taxation of they're relaxed law's , it would be certainly be a needed boost to the economy or is he saying it in the desperation of appealing to the younger voter's in the hope that he holds onto his position in number 10 ?

One can't help being cynical about these empty promises that are made in the run up to another election & of course he's changed his tune on the subject before. I believe it was in 2002 when he last made any statement's regarding a overhaul of the 1972 Act the legislation which marked the begining of the end of any logical discussion of an individuals right to change their conciousness in a way that didn't involve having to become involved with the criminal underworld , unless of course cigarettes & alcohol were your drug's of choice .

I would certainly imagine that a lot of young voters who probably don't even bother voting might get off their arse's on that statement alone though would be possibly become even more apathetic should he not follow it through . A very real possibility.
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« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2015, 06:03:43 PM »
Cameron would offer Sam on a sex cam for your vote. Only last year he stated, as did Teresa May, that cannabis decriminalised  is off the discussion. The alcohol lobbyists wouldn't let him OP. They've just introduced the draconian drug driving laws that will fuck weed smokers royally, even when not under influence, so his words are as hollow as he is.
Never trust a tory because they have always played divide and rule politics. Giving something real thought just means he'll still decide against.. soz to pop any bubbles mate. He's a lying Jeremy Hunt.

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« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2015, 08:40:24 AM »
I thought as much , after all he did do a complete U TURN on looking at the 1972 Act in 2002  when he was all for re-assessing the classifications .

I read it on a  website ( pick & mix ) , I do love my sweeties ! So it's good advertising as well . To be honest I don't think that any party or coalition will make anything any easier for people who use substances that are currently illegal ..maybe the Green Party but by the time they're in Government we will no doubt have very little rain forest's left or polar ice cap's .

It's big business pulling the strings in any UK General Election , so your either voting for Left wing capitalism or Right wing capitalism . Not a lot of choice there & they wonder why people don't vote !?

I'd like to see what a true democratic election was like at least once before I pop my clogs , we need a  new system of doing things in this country , most of the time over 50% of the population don't agree with the party in power & even if they do you could throw a handful of rice  at  the MP's knowing that at least 90% of them hit by it were corrupt , self serving twats .

Like I said before , I can't help being cynical about the whole showbiz style charade.

I do think that the decriminalisation of weed would certainly cut down of the number of young 'uns taking these fekkin legal bastard high's that appear to turn people into loud vegetables & possibly stop some of them becoming dependant on poor quality dope still . But that's far too logical for any politician to realise , especially if they still want to receive the support of the alcohol & tobacco giant's .
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Re: No Concerns or Compliments ?
« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2015, 10:40:31 AM »
Actually thinking about it I'd very probably have more respect for Cameron if he offered a sam-sex-cam to win votes.

At least that would show the true colours of the man & the depths he's willing to sink to just  to gain a few more years of power .

I best get my coat after a comment like that..... ::)

I think Sapph need's to  discipline me....god it's just getting worse...


I'm off to the naughty step.
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« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2015, 01:15:36 PM »
Ugh, I hope that whatever government we do end up with that the Tory's are not a part of it. It's different depending on where you live, as where my parents live and where I am from, it's a very affluent area, so you don't really notice the government cuts so much, but where I live now, it's quite deprived, and I don't believe it's possible to cut much more then they already have without putting life a risk.

The Tory candidate for my ward does not even live here, so I sincerely hope people wouldn't vote for someone that doesn't even lie in the area he claims to know all about! We also have a UKIP candidate for the first time ever, and the ticket they are running on is that 'Labour will get in if you don't vote UKIP'. I'm just hopeful that people here are not stupid enough to vote Ukip at all!!

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« Reply #26 on: April 23, 2015, 12:18:46 PM »
I think this election is one of the hardest ones that I've ever had to decide on , when it comes down to it ALL the major parties are a " shower of shit " & have screwed over our country in different ways  over my lifetime .

It would be great if we had a " progressive " style party who stood for real change that made sense . As it is we don't even have a Green party candidate in my area , not that I'm saying I would vote for them .

I think this time around I might regress to what I used to do the first few times I had the right to vote & just go down to the polling station to spoil my paper , it's a shame to waste it I know...but I really can't think of what else to do this time .

Left wing , Right wing , the difference between the two main parties aren't very well defined these day's .

Labour used to be the working man's  party ,  maybe the upper middle-class working man's ( woman's ) party . Does any of the political parties care about anything more than gaining power ?

It's now nearly a mirror image of the U.S.A.'s  showbiz style politics . The MPs being merely puppets representing the interests of their big business buddies who hedge their bet's & donate to both Tories & Labour .

Then again , maybe I'm just particularly cynical ?

If so don't be afraid to set me straight , it would be nice to be wrong !
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Re: No Concerns or Compliments ?
« Reply #27 on: April 23, 2015, 07:45:30 PM »
Hi OP,
sadly mate, you're more right than wrong. The labour party was culled under Blair, considered to be Thatcher's greatest achievement because he broke the connections with the working class and created the purple tory.
We have morphed to the US style politics of claiming the middle ground which stops the swing left or right, but also moving more to the right.. ala UKip.
Milliband seems more socialist leaning but can't state it otherwise the media would have a field day with him.. i have little faith too, but i would vote cosa nostra if it got the current monsters out.

We can only hope for a better day, one day.

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« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2015, 06:51:57 AM »
Oh well , reassuring that my cynical outlook on the world of politics isn't unrealistic & shared by others I suppose . Would of been nice if I was told that I was horribly wrong & things don't appear as bleak as I see them on the other hand .
Can't help feeling that something has to happen on a massive scale to change the political landscape before we can expect even a true democracy run by people wanting to do  " good " in the UK .

Revolution anybody ?

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« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2015, 12:11:38 PM »
My postal voting bumpf came today, so I'll need to get that filled out and sent back. I really think it matters a lot as to where you live, as where I currently live, the government cuts have been far too excessive. It's already a deprived area, and simply cannot take many more cuts. We've already have people killing themselves because of cuts to the welfare services, and people doing the same because of the government attitude towards maintenance drug treatment. We need a change here for sure.